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I don't know about everyone else, but when I am in a battleground and I see a druid using the [item]Staff of Beasts[/item] AND riding a bear mount it makes me vomit partially digested crud all over my keyboard...

Becuase I don't have the cashflow to keep buying new keyboards, and becuase we as a guild are very capable of getting these mounts, we are going to be pushing hard from here until WOTLK release to get as many people mounted up.

The following are some points that anyone wanting to go into ZA should be aware of as well as some general strategy...we also have a lot of people who have been able to go into successful pugs and succeed in here, as well as people like Airtotem who do it routinely on another server - dont be shy guys...pipe up with corrections or additions.

....and if you send a $200 check payable to "Arc de lad" I will let you pretend to ride me for 2 whole hours in-game...no lie!

General Strategy

• We should be able to do this with only TWO healers - this seems nuts, especially to those who have healed this, but the general rule for getting bear mounts is that you only take two healers so you can get that extra DPS slot in there to help move along faster. IMO all four bosses required for the bear mount can be done with two healers...hex lord CAN be done with two, but its not pretty (just ask gren lol), and Zul Jin is purt neer impossible with only two, BUT the first four bosses can be done. Having a shadow priest for DPS would help
• We need two tanks - 3 of the 4 bosses require two tanks - the bear boss, dragonhawk boss, and lynx all need two solid tanks.
• A hunter is virtually required - the bear mounts and the lynx boss all frenzy which is dispellable by tranq shot...its possible to heal through it, but then again we are going in with only two healers, so having tranq shot can help a ton
• Bringing along a ret pally, arms/fury warrior, or feral druid can help with the eagle gauntlet run, since they can "bring up the rear" and catch some adds
• CC stands for crowd control! It does! Mages, hunters, balance druids, and warlocks are all highly desirable for DPS becuase of their high output and effective means of CC for this instance
• One person needs to be on master loot duty so that the raid leader can focus on pushing the raid momentum forward. Preferably this person is a non-mana using person like a rogue, warrior, or feral druid so that mana users can drink up when needed instead of worrying about loot.
• Know thy loot tables - God actually forgot this one...you will get exactly 10 seconds to roll on any boss loot before the ML runs off...if noone says anything within that time it will be DE'ed promptly. KNOW what you want going into the run, and if it drops, roll FAST. All timed event chests will be left alone until the timed event attempt succeeds or fails.

Timed event

Kill order: Eagle boss, Bear boss, Dragonhawk boss, Lynx boss

Eagle Boss

After Harrison Ford dies (and he SHOULD after that abomination called Indy 4), the tanks should pick up the two mobs, and DPS should AOE down the rush of non-elite adds, then kill those two ASAP. AVOID the roaming pat group that walks around after the steps.

For the gauntlet, the two tanks should focus on the two "sentries", while an offtank stays behind the group to pick up the trolls that come spawn from the back. The flow should be - kill X, kill skull, THEN immediately pull next two. The off tank should try and pull his guys into the AOE to kill them off, and any DPS with a good AOE spell should feel free to use it on those damn birds.

When you get to the scout, kill him ASAP (to stop adds from spawning), THEN wrap up remaining mobs. After they are dead, head to the top of the steps and mana up FAST. Once I see mana in healers at full the MT will be pulling - make sure you are INSIDE the line at the top of the steps. Also make sure you are not queued up for an arena match (cough goss cough).

For the boss, ideally we have a tank with some good NR gear - hunters should pop their NR aura as well.

Positioning

Melee - all melee need to be spaced as FAR away from each other as possible to avoid splash damage from his lightning attack. The boss has a decent sized hit box, so if the tank is in the "N" position on the compass, other melee should be "E", "W", and "S" as FAR BACK as possible. The goal is to not be close to any other melee.

Ranged - All ranged and casters should be standing on the edge of the rectangle on the ground, spaced AWAY form each other. Everyone should pick a spot, memorize the location, and then come back to THAT spot always after a lightning storm. If it helps you, urinate on that spot so you can find it by scent (it works for me).

Strategy

Like the economy and giving birth, this fight is all about expansion and contraction. The boss will periodically cast a lightning storm on a random non-MT party member - there is a pretty wide saftey zone around that particular person, so its imperitive that EVERYONE head to that spot ASAP - it is marked on the ground by an easily detectable dark spot - you can also just see where the lightning is heading and go there as well. Anyone who DOES NOT go to that spot will die.

The first lightning storm is very unpredictable, BUT if everyone is paying attention and gets to the spot fast its remarkably easy to dodge. The flow of the fight is that he will cast lightning storm, everyone contracts in to that spot, and then when the storm is over you IMMEDIATELY spread back to your spot...if you DONT spread back out, he is going to blast everyone with a chain lightning attack and the healers will be cursing you.

So...just pay attention. Be ready to shrink in during lightning strikes, then expand back out right after. If we have a lock he is enough for the annoying birds with SOC, if not ignore them. This boss doent have a huge health pool, so he should be dropped fairly quickly.

Bear Boss

After the eagle boss drops, you have 10 seconds for loot, then BOOK it to the roaming pat group we forget earlier...kill them ASAP then move on and get ready for the first part of the Bear boss groups...the first group consists of three trolls...when there is only one troll left the next group (two bears) will be pulled...any CC should keep on their toes and CC appropriately to keep the raid smooth and the mobs contained. Right after the bears die the netx group will be pulled - it consists of 4 trolls. IMMEDIATELY after these die, two bear mounts are heading your way. The tanks need to keep them spread so their demo roars dont overlap- kill order is: kill X, sheep the bear when they seperate, kill that troll, KILL the bear, THEN move to next mob.

After these die, you have 5-10 seconds for mana, then the hardest of all groups is coming - it consists of two trolls and two bear mounts...the two trolls need to be cc'ed (trap, fear, sheep, etc etc), and the two bear mounts should be dealt with first JUST as we dealt with the last two.

When all four mobs are dead, I will be pulling the boss when I see healer mana topped out.

This boss is fairly straightforward. Any melee dps needs to be behind the boss at all times to avoid his cleave, and both tanks need to be on top of each other in front of him to split the damage. This fight takes precision taunting from the tanks - healers should focus on keeping any hots up on the bear form tank and that tank should have a higher health pool and physical resistance. If a mage has time, AMP magic can be put on the tanks for this fight to help out the healers. Also, any damage reducers should be used to help out like curse of weakness, demo roar, demo shout, etc etc.

Any tanks who have questions on how to tank this feel free to ask me.

Dragonhawk Boss

After the bear boss drops you will have 10 seconds for loot, then go down the ramp and turn left to get to the dragonhawk gauntlet.

For this gauntlet its CRITICAL that EVERYONE, including healers, watch out for any scouts wandering towards the group - a pally healer, for example, can HOJ one to buy some killing time. The best way to avoid the issue of repoping scouts is to just KEEP MOVING. DO NOT dawdle in the back - the group should clump up by the tanks and keep forward movement going - this ensures that the ones in the back will keep walking and wont hit the drum to summon more mobs.

Generally the groups consist of 1-2 flame dudes, 1-2 handlers, and a scout...kill the scout, sheep/contain the flame dudes ASAP...if you cant they need to die FAST...handlers need to be...handled (lolol - i crack me up!) fast too...

Again, kill group and move forward as a group to the next one...dont hang back you caster types!

When you get past the scouts, there will be two handler / dragonhawk groups...if its convenient grab them and kill them - they have a penchant for patting up the steps and causing wipes if you dont, although it is possible to skip them.

When you go up the steps on your left, hug the left wall and DO NOT pull the group on the other side of the stairs....and if possible, fight close to the stairs by the boss to avoid pat problems if needed...

Boss

This boss does NOT hit particularly hard on the MT - this is a finesse fight and everyone needs to be paying close attention to their surroundings and perform well.

The boss is going to call up two "hatcher" trolls - they are going to head to the left and right of the platform and start popping eggs if you let them....one needs to die ASAP, the other should be left alone and should be allowed to open up ALL OF THE EGGS on one side of the platform...a pally tank here does wonders, but if allo the pally tank dies from an explosion he should be banished! forever!

All of those adds need to be killed ASAP - any class that can OT some should be on the lookout for any that mages or locks steal and grab those away from those guys...during the course of this the boss will launch a bunch of cluster bombs around the platform - its pretty easy - DONT stand in one, instead stand in a clear spot and park it. Its that easy. There should be no reason anyone moves during a flame wreath gets blown up.

The next round of hatchers, kill one again, and let the other one hatch HALF of that group...once he has hatched half, kill him. The third wave of hatchers should hatch the remaining ones, and then its all on the boss - again, making sure to avoid his bombs.

Lynx Boss

Loot will expire in 10 seconds, then head down the platform and hang a right - there will be a pat of two that you need to just avoid. There is a nifty shortcut that consists of jumping through two hut windows, then darting into the croc infested water and swimming to the very end - doing this method cuts out about 4-6 groups and saves a TON of time.

There will be alternating groups of pats and groups of lynxes that jump out at you - these are all very easy to deal with - just keep momentum going forward at all times and keep up with the tanks. Once you get to the boss and his room is cleared, healers need to mana up, and then the tanks need to go in unison to pull the boss. This boss is purely physical damage and DOES NOT CRUSH, so amp magic should be applied if possible and a druid tank is ideal for tanking the combined form.

The two tanks should stand exactly on each other...if done correctly they should look like the same player almost...except dont look like kaylasb...hes just ugly and lame looking in all that cheesy pally plate. Healers need to be on top of keeping the MT alive - the lynx hits hard and fast and will go into frenzies which can be dispelled by a hunter with tranq shot...he will frenzy more than the the CD on tranq shot, though, so just do the best you can...

After 25% damage is done, the two will split - at this point, ALL DPS should focus on the Lynx form (tanked by the OT) and ignore the troll form. When the lynx gets to zero health, the two recombine and you need to kill off the next 25%...these 25% damage increments should come FAST - he is pretty soft and drops health easily.

Two things during the split should be observed:

1) Totems - these need to die ASAP - all dps should switch to the totems when they drop as prompted by the raid leader or big wigs...failure to kill them asap may result in your death - and utter humiliation! ha!

2) Shocks - these are more of a lengthy debuff than a "shock", but they are dispellable and should be dispelled RIGHT AWAY. They should not even be up one second if the healers are doing their job.

For the last 25% of the boss' health, he is going to stay combined and do massive damage AND drop totems, so make sure you kill the totems and keep the tanks alive.

Thats it! Congrats on your bear mount! Tyban will never get one as he doesnt roll higher than a 12.

LOL - excellent guide, Arc.  :D

Thorough guide. =) Strong DPS is also required for this to work. Would be nice if everyone would be pushing 900++ DPS consistently (on trash, and higher on bosses)

Question about the ambush groups of Lynxes (4-5ish) while clearing to Lynx boss - are they to be AoE'd or single shot - or does it depend on the amount/power of the group's AoE? I've tried AoEing them at times and usually burn my mana completely dry and I waste time drinking a lot.

TL; DR


(just kiddin dude  ;))

Seriously, a lot of good info. I haven't been able to line up with a ZA raid very often lately, and when I can, they seem to fill up fast, but I am interested. I would also respec DPS to get in on one, if it's already fully tanked.

GB

lol...no idea what that means GB :P your reference is lost!

I think we may structure the weekly ZA's (x2) so that one is for seasoned ZA people to do timed event attempts and the other is an introductory to learn the instance, but were still kind of hashing stuff out.

Mel - since the goal is to chain pull all the way to the lynx boss id say go single taget spell to save time, but then again i dont know how effective your aoe is since my mage is only level 1 - and a bank alt at that. I cast a mean frost armor though walking from the bank to the AH!

Quote from: Arcdelad on August 15, 2008, 10:52:01 AM
lol...no idea what that means GB :P your reference is lost!

"Too long; didn't read" - took me forever to figure out what that meant, myself, haha.

Yes, those lynxs are AOEd down.   We normally have our pally tank mount up and grab 2 groups of those lynxs as long as the pat is clear, so our warlocks/mages AOE down like 9-10 at a time.  He is pushing 20k+HP also, but i'm sure hes just barely a little better geared than our best pally tanks. 

Once we get to the last pat before the stairs to the lynx boss, that is when they normally take their drink break.

The instance and timed event is about drinking at 20% mana when you are out of combat and pulling when you are at 45% mana, lol

Our group makeup usually went something like...
pally tank, balance druid, feral druid, 2 shaman of any kind, hopefully resto for chain heals, but mainly for heroism for both groups, since you can pop heroism and have it ready again for each of the 4 bosses.  Also, 1 mage, 1 warlock, 1 rogue, hopefully 1 priest, preferably shadow but a healing priest does just fine.  Our groups 2 healers were usually 1 shaman and 1 paladin.   The hunter isn't as important as you think, because, if your group's DPS is what it should be, then chances are, you will get the Lynx boss down 25% before he even has a chance to go into Frenzy, especially with heroism up. 

Great guide Arc, tnx! :)
I was thinking the other day, wouldn't teamspeak/ vent make ZA a whole lot easier? specially for those who haven't been there a lot?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336866249&pageNo=1&sid=1

[blizzard]

QuoteQ u o t e:
Will bear mounts still be available when the new content patch hits?

No. This item will no longer be available with the release of the next content patch. Mind you this patch will happen before the release of Wrath of the Lich King. [/blizzard]

 :(

Why would the ability to get a bear mount after completing a task in an instance be removed after a content patch?  I don't understand.

Patch referred to is more than content - it will bring some of the class changes for WotLK.  Guess Blizzard feels the class changes wouldn't be fair to those who got the bear 'the hard way'.

because a group of us level 80's could do it in 20 mins 3 times a week and cheapen the reward...

So while we're at it, let's take warglaives out of the game since they'll be easier to get once we turn 80.  We don't want all those rogues crying that they did it the hard way...

warglaives may not be as good as the level 78 elite quest reward though :P

A Bear mount doesn't give you anything special either, it's just a vanity item.  Where do you draw the line with taking out content because it will be easier to attain at level 80, 90 etc.?

youd be surprised what people do for vanity items in game LOL think of spending $300 for an umbrella chair from the TCG, or going to winterspring and spending weeks grinding out mobs for a "Special" white wintersaber mount LOL (coughmelcough)...

its like the old T3 gear....arguably THE best looking druid tier set out there...I could go spend time as a level 70 in the old 60 tuned instance and get it a LOT easier (well...a littler easie lol) but it wouldnt be that helpful for me, becuase the [Sundered Nose Bone of the Whale] I picked up in nagrand is way better then it...

That's exactly my point.  If it's just a vanity item who cares if it's easy to get after the level cap gets raised or talents get adjusted?  They didn't take away your ability to go get your good-looking T3 gear because it's easy to get. 

Personally I stopped being impressed with the bear mounts after they started blocking the entrance to every bank in Azeroth.  The allure is already gone and there isn't any advantage to having one other than the looks so I just don't see the point in glorifying the people who got one (or bought one) before the patch.

agreed....the allure stops when you see so many people in BG's with them too...i would just be happy if cheetah speed went epic mount speed like epic flight form does with air mounts lol

ADDENDUM:

For the Timed run Saturday, and all others in the future, two changes in tactics:

1) For the eagle boss, EVERYONE needs to collapse in on the TANK before the storm...EVERYONE - this ensures that the black spot will be right there (next to the boss), which means that all melee DPS can continue during that time. This will especially help give us a little edge in downing the boss quicker when we have more melee heavy groups.

2) On the Lynx boss, instead of dpsing down the Lynx when they split, all DPS needs to stay on the troll form (minding the totems and shocks as usual of course)...while the Lynx does have less HP, the prevailing logic in groups consistently doing the timed event successfully is that the Troll ALREADY is dotted, debuffed, etc etc, meaning that 10% is really nothing considering DPS can just continue wailing away on a "softer" target...many of us have done this in successful ZA pugs too and seen it work out brilliantly. Its very counter intuitive, but it works out great.

What happens to the lynx? Does it despawn once the boss reaches a certain amount of health? Or do we end up with 4 lynxes running around?

When the boss splits, the goal is to get ONE of them down to zero % health (or close I think)...it doesnt matter which one, so long as you kill one of them - they will remerge into one boss at that time...he splits every 25% health, so there are three split phases you need to do this for...

Before I did ZA with you guys, I thought that was what you did for the Lynx and Bird bosses. What my guild used to do before I came to Twilight was:

Bird: have the tank pick him up and tank him in teh center of the blue square. When the RW came that a stormw as about to hit, everyone would collapse on the tank then immediately spread back out into position once the storm was over.
Lynx: Have a tank- optimally a druid tank- ot the lynx cat while any other tank can tank the boss himself. After a given amount of time, the lynx will merge back with the Boss regardless of it's killed or left alive.

**Shrugs** I dunno if this will help us get that 4th chest or not, but hpefully it helps :)

both of those I think are the prevailing wisdom in getting the 4th chest...I agree with you except on the part of having the druid OT instead of MT on the lynx...the lynx doesnt do any crushing blows (the big druid tank weakness until patch day), plus a good druid tank will have more health, be capped or close to capped armor wise (32k), and will be dodging like a mutha on the lynx...id say have the pally OT the lynx...

definitely share any tips though on ZA runs...I dont claim to know everything about ZA, so any tips that could potentially give us even a few extra seconds on the clock bring em up here...

To me its not just a bear mount, it shows me that i am capable of doin a event that supposely requires skill. and the fact that i do it with my guild shows even more that my exp. wasnt bought like 80% of the ppl out there. i am not really worried bout wat others think of my mount (bear) but its to show me that i have the pve skill and support to get a tough job like that done.

Come the expansion, you can buy A bear mount (albeit a smaller and more "tame" looking one). I believe worldofraids.com shows the cost at 712g

Honestly, while the [item]Amani War Bear[/item] is a neat looking mount, at this point its almost cooler not to have one since almost everyone on the damn server has one. Sadly they made the timed run so rough on guilds not in complete T5/6 that its really really REALLY hard for you to get it if you arent already farming your way through Hyjal and BT.

Thats not to say we should give up trying, but not every guild has the ability to get one nor has every guild accomplished the boss kills we have.

[item]Reins of the Swift Spectral Tiger[/item]



I want a bear mount, but I'd feel too guilty to roll on one. That said, in the expansion there appear to be a bunch of new, exciting, nifty mounts to get.



-Tris

Our next attempt is this saturday - and we have a GREAT group for it.

Everyone signed up please review the tactics mentioned here and post any revisions or suggestions now so we can walk in there with a solid idea of what everyone's role will be.

Some specifics:
Apolla / Panzer - one of you two will be "rear" tank on the gauntlet to the eagle boss...Ap - maybe bring a shield for that, or let panzer do his shammy tankage thing. It helps to have someone in the back keeping an eye on adds spawning from behind and beelining it to the healers.

EVERYONE make sure and stand IN the consecrate for the gauntlet.

Kay, you tank the eagle boss with your NR gear on...Nas / Killa - you two need me to help heal, or can you two handle it?

For the bear boss, Ill take the bear, kay you take the troll.

For the dragonhawk gauntlet, make sure we all move as a compact team together through it...Nix - plan on sheeping the mage flame bastards. ALL DPS needs to drop those scouts - with this group they shouldnt even last one second if we focus fire them LOL Air - think you can heal and let Killa do some MC'ing here?

For the dragonhawk, make sure we keep kay up and have ALL dps killing those hatched dragonhawks...the faster you kill them off the less probability of an error due to explosion or kay just getting overwhelmed...Panz - you need to mark which hatcher needs to die and which needs to go hatch.

Were going to take the shortcut to the lynx - once we drop the dragonhawk be ready to roll out ASAP - your mana will regen while you are running =)

Kay - for the lynx spawns, you need to take two groups at once - everyone else should AOE the bejessus out of them. Bourne - get a sap off on one of the two pats when they patrol...

For the lynx, ill MT -kay, make sure those shocks get cleansed asap...remember we are NOT killing the cat when they split..stay on the troll, kill totems, and light into that mofo...

OVERALL:

Groups will be:
1) Me, Kay, Apolla, Bourne, Panzer (LOTP, aura, battleshout, totem twistage)
2) Gren, Nas, Air, Nix, Killa (wrath totem, mana tide, mage mana regen thing, etc)

heroism, heroism, heroism - we have three shamenz...lets see a healthy dose of heroism on this run =)
Make sure we all flask up, food buff, etc etc...ill also get a NR cauldron for the first boss.

Arc, send me mats and I'll do the combine for the cauldron.

IIRC, those guards see invis, so sap won't work.

Good luck guys - I want to see someone in Twilight with a bear mount this weekend!

      Yeah, I will back-up heal during the dragonhawk trash.  In fact if we MC one flame caster, and mark an X on the other flame caster, then I say just not worry about sheep, just burn the flame caster fast.  Since sheeps will kind of slow us down, we will really only sheep once or twice in the whole place, like once during the bear boss trash on that last pull before the boss, and maybe during that last flame caster pull before the dragonhawk boss.  I'd prefer the locks/mages/Apolla AOEing more without having to worry about breaking sheeps.  Of course I say them, but I really mean me, so I can chain lightning the whole place without worrying about breaking CC.  =)



EDIT:   Heroism rotations!
This is how we normally do the heroism rotations on my other timed runs, and they end up being being off cooldown right in the middle of each boss fight:
* during Eagle boss, after the first lightning storm, when everyone spreads out
               -Since we have 3 heroisms, we will use the 3rd after the 2nd lightning storm.
* during the bear boss, after the first bear phase, when he pops back to humanoid form.
* during the dragon hawk boss, I will pop a heroism, since I am in the caster group, right when Kay gets the first set of adds.  That should help the Seeds get out faster.  (Kay, you may want to bubble as soon as you get done with the first set of adds so you can remove all the fire debuffs)
* during the lynx boss, right when he hits 50%.   Since we have 3, I may pop mine at 25%.

Last couple of non-timed runs ive been on we havent had a mage and sheeping wasnt used.   Handling the trash wihtout sheep is very very doable.  I think someone mcd a mob instead of sheep.

How does that Lynx boss work without killing the spirit lynx?  Never heard of that before.   We just flat out dps the boss til its dead while at the same time the spirit form is tanked with totems being summoned?

A note to rogues running ZA:  stuns work on pretty much everything except bosses in here.  I know cheapshot and kidney shot aren't something that we usually employ when raiding, but in this timed ZA run I'm starting to think it can be a huge help to the raid.  Of course you want to make sure that you aren't stunning a mob while the group is moving or when the tank has no rage, but clearing the trash in ZA moves pretty quickly and you can lessen the healing load and maximize healer mana by getting kidney shots off on dangerous targets like casters with aoe fire damage and scouts running for the drums.  Usually everyone is doing so much DPS focused on one target that the mob drops before a kidney shot duration ends so you'll save a lot of unnecessary damage by using stuns in the right situations without losing dps.  

Don't be worried about reducing your DPS by using CP's on stuns either.  Keeping SnD up is pretty much all you need when clearing trash in here since mobs die so fast I sometimes find it difficult to get an envenom / eviscerate off before they die and often see 2-4 wasted CP's while waiting for energy regen.

Just thought I'd bring this up for rogues to think about since it seems every other part of the strategy has been covered and our only real role in here is stay alive and kill kill kill.

QuoteHow does that Lynx boss work without killing the spirit lynx?  Never heard of that before.   We just flat out dps the boss til its dead while at the same time the spirit form is tanked with totems being summoned?

Basically you just stay on the boss and a tank picks up the lynx just to hold it there.  You maintain DPS on the boss until he dies in that form, then he comes back to normal and you continue DPS.  The theory here is that even though the lynx has 10% less health, the tank already has aggro on the boss, all your dots, sunders, poisons etc. remain on the boss, and nobody has to switch targets.  I've done it both ways and it is easier not having to switch over to the lynx.  It's also easier to see the totems drop since the boss' cast bar shows him dropping them (on top of the other myriad warnings you get from bigwigs, boss mods, etc.).  The health difference is insignificant when you factor in all the other advantages to staying on the troll.

Yes, Gren.  
The lynx is OTd while the melee/casters use insta casts to take out the totems.  
OTing the lynx was usually my job as a feral tank. I would just taunt/attack the lynx, then when a totem popped, I would go over and mangle/maul the totems, and the lynx would just stay on me at mostly full health.  Kay will be dispelling, so he doesn't need to worry about the totems.   With all the debuffs up on the boss, you never need to switch targets, you can keep full dots/lacerates on him, then continue to DPS as he splits, and even as he is coming together.  Since there is a slight delay as he is coming back together, you already have tons of dots on him, and my groups would usually drop him about 5% before he even makes his first attack on the tank.

Sounds good to me, Arc.

Air, since you and I will be in the same group, we'll each do every other heroism you listed?

In most cases, when there is only 1 or 2 shaman, then I would follow my little heroism guide.
In our case, since we are in the same group, you can pop yours at the same time Panz does, which should follow the guide, and I will pop mine as soon as yours runs out.
We should be using all 3 heroisms on each boss.
=)

Tonight, ever after a couple of stupid, avoidable wipes, we came 1 minute within getting the bear mount - we had the lynx at 30-35% health when it expired...the same group is going to make the attempt sunday - we have it....with any luck, ill be posting tomorrow about the guild's first bear mount!

SO...last night we are chugging along, our group mows down the 1st gauntlet like pros, destroys the first boss - we are on track with our previous time....we get to the trash before the bear boss....

....and....why the hell is "growl" an instant cast spell, taking 30 seconds to cast?!?

yes...a SERVER WIDE lag wave hit, at THAT EXACT TIME - which DC'ed our tank and some others, caused a wipe, then put the entire group at 3,000-8,000 latency for a good 4-8 mins....

we tried opening a ticket, but non of the GM's were helpful (no shocker there)...

We are running out of time, though, before patch time - I put another run for this wednesday...lets try it again guys!

Sorry, but your server is an Oceanic Realm